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Am I going to need an Arizona tag?

Yup, I am.

The Arizona House of Representatives recently approved a provision requiring President Barack Obama to prove that he is a natural-born citizen before the state agrees to place him on the ballot in 2012. He must have his birth certificate approved by the state’s attorney general in order to run in the next election.
The provision was added to a separate bill in a 31-22 vote. There is still a formal vote that must occur for the provision to pass. Democratic Rep. Kyrsten Sinema says that the bill is making Arizona the “laughing stock of the nation.”

21 Responses to “Am I going to need an Arizona tag?”

  1. Alceste Says:

    I killed poetry wednesday! Hooray! :) (Although it could have been the “Jingle Bells”…)

  2. Pdov Says:

    Oh I thought you were joking on twitter. That is cookoo for cocoa puffs stuff. I meant to tell you that while I don’t like the new “illegal immigrant” law, I do think it is a step in curbing illegal immigrants maybe even having more protection for people who have suffered/murdered by people crossing over our country illegally. #agreetodisagree

  3. Dawn Summers Says:

    Pdov

    I am problem on of the more conservative bloggers on the issue of immigration and I think this law is retarded. Plus, the blowback will result in dogoody bleeding hearts protecting illegals “to make a statement” as well as drain precious resources to fight crime/provide services from AZ because of the boycotts. Dumb, dumb dumb, dumb

  4. Dawn Summers Says:

    Alceste, and what do you mean you killed poetry Wednesday? You totally saved it. I had nothing. And you got more comment than mine got last week…

  5. Smokey Says:

    Ugh. I need to get out of this state.

  6. Minh Says:

    Hooray for Arizona.

  7. Dawn Summers Says:

    Yes! Arizona does boast a bunch of my favorite people.

  8. Pearatty Says:

    PDov:
    Here’s the thing. If you really want to cure the illegal immigration problem, I can draft the law for you right now:

    “Any employer convicted of hiring an undocumented worker, whom the employer had reasonable suspicion to believe was an undocumented worker, shall be sentenced to no less than 10 years in prison.”

    Done. That is the non-racist immigration law that would dry up our illegal problem to a trickle. Trust me, these people aren’t flocking here because of the weather and golf courses.

  9. Pearatty Says:

    Also, second what Dawn said: AZ is in a serious budget crisis. Schools are cutting back to four day weeks, state and local agencies have had major layoffs. We don’t have enough police to address our actual crime problems, but now they’re REQUIRED by law to run around enforcing immigration law.

    Also, this means no cooperation with local police from immigrants on actual crime. An undocumented alien sees someone beating you up? Think they’ll call the police, serve as a witness for you? Nope, because the police officer would be REQUIRED by law to arrest the good samaritan.

  10. Pearatty Says:

    Oh, and by the way, the crazy cracker state legislature is doing this because the state is near bankrupt, they’ve failed to balance the budget for over a year (even though the AZ constitution requires them to), they’re completely incompent at the act of actually running the government, and so they trying to distract themselves and the populace with some bread and circuses.

  11. Pdov Says:

    Pearatty – How about closing the border properly first, before punishing business owners?
    I still don’t get the racist part of this legislation when it explicitly states that race cannot be a factor in determining status or causing suspicion.

  12. Pearatty Says:

    PDov,
    Shutting down the reason for people illegally coming here *is* closing the border.

    Why are you phrasing it “punishing” business owners? I guess it is punishment, but your question implies some sort of sympathy for them. These people are breaking the law. They know exactly who they’re hiring; they encourage the illegal traffic because it gives them a cheap source of labor. They are no different from the coyote who brings the people in — they’re profiting from the misery of both the undocumented aliens and of the American Citizen worker (who can’t demand a higher wage for the same work). Why are we willing to put a suspected undocumented alien in jail on a reasonable suspicion standard, but not an employer? Why should we spend taxpayer money on more border guards and infrastructure, to stem an illegal traffic created by the employers?

  13. Pearatty Says:

    And maybe you’d have to live in Arizona, where the huge majority of immigrants, illegal or not, are Hispanic, to get the racist part.

    Can you give me an example of a characteristic that would give reasonable suspicion one was an undocumented alien, that wouldn’t apply to a documented alien?

  14. Pearatty Says:

    Ok, one last rant: saying we should close the border before we put employers of illegal aliens in jail is no different than saying we should stop illegal drug trafficing before we put drug users in jail.

  15. Pdov Says:

    A. Because it places a huge burden on business or people who contract the businesses. So every time someone hires a cleaning lady you expect them to do a thorough background check? It’s a huge burden, especially on small business owners.

    2. A person crossing the border in the dead of night on foot = suspicion = stopping by the cops.

    3. I don’t believe in we should be putting people in jail for drug use, but that’s a whole other issue. I actually agree with the analogy, we should be putting illegal drug traffickers before users.
    #agreetodisagree

  16. Minh Says:

    1. Build a triple wall system from on end of the border to the other – china can do it 500 years ago, hell the Roman can do it a 1000 years ago.
    2. Have a separate army detail to patrols the borders.
    3. Abolish minimum wage laws
    4. Abolish all welfare handouts
    5. No court rights for immigrant decision – see example Mexico law about deportation.
    6. End “anchor baby” citizenship policy. One parents have to be US Citizen for children to claim citizenship when 18.
    7. Jail and expell all illegal “immigrant” colaborators.

  17. Alceste Says:

    How much of a burden is it for an employer (who already has to ask for a social security number for the W-4 every new employee has to fill out) to ask to see a green card, temporary residency permit or some other paper as a substitute for the social security number (which they need to make appropriate tax withholdings anyway)?

    They don’t need to do a background check – just a bit of common sense (and no one’s saying if the papers are fake, the employer should be liable – just have a documentation policy in place).

  18. Minh Says:

    When a foreign government encourage the infiltration of another country, then claim the right to represent these invaders, it is call an act of war. Maybe we should consider irradiating a couple thousand miles of on the other side of the border as buffer zone.

  19. Pearatty Says:

    PDov
    I like the #agreetodisagree, but do want to follow up on this one:

    “A person crossing the border in the dead of night on foot = suspicion = stopping by the cops”

    Ok, but the closest international border to the Phoenix metro area—where 63% of the people of Arizona live—is over 100 miles away from the edge of the Phoenix metro area. In fact the border area itself is relatively unpopulated. It’s unlikely a state or local police officer would have reason to be near the border, for regular law enforcement purposes.

    So, seriously, can you come up with any characteristics which might be exibited by an illegal immigrant inhabiting a large metropolitan area, 100 miles from any border, which would not also be exhibited by any legal immigrant from that person’s country of origin?

  20. Smokey Says:

    As to walls… does no one think of the migratory animals? Walls have a devastating ecological impact. (I know that comment might make Dawn a champion of them).

    Also– the Great Wall never did work in China.

    Oh, and to piggy-back on recent political cartoons, who’s going to build this wall?

  21. Dawn Summers Says:

    Walls kill animals?? Arizona: BUILD THAT WALL!

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