Comments on: Back door slam http://www.clareified.com/2007/03/31/back-door-slam/ A New York state of mind Sun, 23 Nov 2008 13:09:37 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: Rick Blaine http://www.clareified.com/2007/03/31/back-door-slam/#comment-45225 Rick Blaine Tue, 03 Apr 2007 20:40:29 +0000 http://www.clareified.com/2007/03/31/back-door-slam/#comment-45225 Rebecca, Do you really think this was about women as property? Say the wife had come home to find her husband naked & tied to a chair and a strange man standing over him with a knife. Say the husband screams "he's going to cut my dick off!", and the wife pulls a pistol out of her purse and shoots the strange man in the head. Would you be concerned about why she "just happened" to have a pistol, or that she was treating her husband's penis as "property"? If it turned out that the dead "stranger" was actually a guy the husband had invited over to engage in some S&M play, and he pretended to be the victim of an assault so his wife would not suspect that he was a gay masochist, would you be as eager to question why a man was being held responsible for the violence of his wife? Rebecca,

Do you really think this was about women as property?

Say the wife had come home to find her husband naked & tied to a chair and a strange man standing over him with a knife.

Say the husband screams “he’s going to cut my dick off!”, and the wife pulls a pistol out of her purse and shoots the strange man in the head.

Would you be concerned about why she “just happened” to have a pistol, or that she was treating her husband’s penis as “property”?

If it turned out that the dead “stranger” was actually a guy the husband had invited over to engage in some S&M play, and he pretended to be the victim of an assault so his wife would not suspect that he was a gay masochist, would you be as eager to question why a man was being held responsible for the violence of his wife?

]]> By: Casca http://www.clareified.com/2007/03/31/back-door-slam/#comment-44916 Casca Mon, 02 Apr 2007 20:51:01 +0000 http://www.clareified.com/2007/03/31/back-door-slam/#comment-44916 That's why the Twenty-sixth Amendment was such a mistake. With all these questions, how do you find your way home at the end of the day? That’s why the Twenty-sixth Amendment was such a mistake. With all these questions, how do you find your way home at the end of the day?

]]> By: Rebecca http://www.clareified.com/2007/03/31/back-door-slam/#comment-44909 Rebecca Mon, 02 Apr 2007 20:31:13 +0000 http://www.clareified.com/2007/03/31/back-door-slam/#comment-44909 It seems to me that we are still missing a lot of information. Are we sure that this woman wasn't being raped? Just because she invited this man over doesn't mean that everything that transpired was consentual. Do we know that her husband wasn't abusive? We know that he 'just happened" to be armed. Is it possible this woman was terrified of her armed husband? Was deadly force really necessary? Was this about protecting someone or was this about protecting your property? I'm not sure how to get my head around women as property, violence against women and women being held responsible for the violence of men. There are questions to be answered here, sources to be considered and reviewed. If we want to care for and protect women we need to consider women. We need to listen. We need to ask questions. It seems to me that we are still missing a lot of information. Are we sure that this woman wasn’t being raped? Just because she invited this man over doesn’t mean that everything that transpired was consentual. Do we know that her husband wasn’t abusive? We know that he ‘just happened” to be armed. Is it possible this woman was terrified of her armed husband? Was deadly force really necessary? Was this about protecting someone or was this about protecting your property? I’m not sure how to get my head around women as property, violence against women and women being held responsible for the violence of men. There are questions to be answered here, sources to be considered and reviewed. If we want to care for and protect women we need to consider women. We need to listen. We need to ask questions.

]]> By: Eric http://www.clareified.com/2007/03/31/back-door-slam/#comment-44905 Eric Mon, 02 Apr 2007 19:51:17 +0000 http://www.clareified.com/2007/03/31/back-door-slam/#comment-44905 Apparently there's more to the story. The husband comes home to find his wife having sex with another man. She cries "rape" and the lover starts to drive away. So not only did he think she was being raped, he also thought she was being abducted. At this point the only thing to criticise is his shot grouping. Apparently there’s more to the story. The husband comes home to find his wife having sex with another man. She cries “rape” and the lover starts to drive away. So not only did he think she was being raped, he also thought she was being abducted. At this point the only thing to criticise is his shot grouping.

]]> By: Casca http://www.clareified.com/2007/03/31/back-door-slam/#comment-44833 Casca Mon, 02 Apr 2007 15:19:06 +0000 http://www.clareified.com/2007/03/31/back-door-slam/#comment-44833 Ah, imitation... flattery, or lack of imagination? I'd never shoot my ex-wife. She's one of the world's worst drivers. Every time I hear that she's totalled another car, why it's like playing the lottery! Ah, imitation… flattery, or lack of imagination? I’d never shoot my ex-wife. She’s one of the world’s worst drivers. Every time I hear that she’s totalled another car, why it’s like playing the lottery!

]]> By: Casca2 http://www.clareified.com/2007/03/31/back-door-slam/#comment-44374 Casca2 Sun, 01 Apr 2007 21:19:13 +0000 http://www.clareified.com/2007/03/31/back-door-slam/#comment-44374 Boy, don't I wish that I had shot my wife! Until you've been married, and then found totally unfit as a husband, you can't imagine just how badly you need to shoot a woman because she bleeds your soul in marriage and then bleeds your wallet in the aftermath. What? Boy, don’t I wish that I had shot my wife! Until you’ve been married, and then found totally unfit as a husband, you can’t imagine just how badly you need to shoot a woman because she bleeds your soul in marriage and then bleeds your wallet in the aftermath.

What?

]]> By: Chugarte http://www.clareified.com/2007/03/31/back-door-slam/#comment-44036 Chugarte Sun, 01 Apr 2007 04:48:49 +0000 http://www.clareified.com/2007/03/31/back-door-slam/#comment-44036 The DA would have to eliminate 50% of the jury pool right off the bat to keep the jury from acquitting a man from killing a guy that he <i>didn't</i> think was raping his wife. The DA would have to eliminate 50% of the jury pool right off the bat to keep the jury from acquitting a man from killing a guy that he didn’t think was raping his wife.

]]> By: Jake http://www.clareified.com/2007/03/31/back-door-slam/#comment-43938 Jake Sat, 31 Mar 2007 22:57:51 +0000 http://www.clareified.com/2007/03/31/back-door-slam/#comment-43938 There is no jury in America that will convict a man who shoots another man to stop his wife's rape. There is no jury in America that will convict a man who shoots another man to stop his wife’s rape.

]]> By: Eric http://www.clareified.com/2007/03/31/back-door-slam/#comment-43925 Eric Sat, 31 Mar 2007 22:00:27 +0000 http://www.clareified.com/2007/03/31/back-door-slam/#comment-43925 Concerned, "Unnecessary violence"? Believe me, buddy, I would never let you marry one of my sisters. If he thinks the guy is in the act of raping his wife it's definitely necessary violence. I would have done the same thing, 'cept I wouldn't have shot him in the head. That woman deserves to spend a long time in jail. Presumably she knew her husband carries a gun, and she knew he would be returning that night. The whole thing looks like she set it up to get rid of both men (although the lover could be just a pawn). Concerned,

“Unnecessary violence”? Believe me, buddy, I would never let you marry one of my sisters. If he thinks the guy is in the act of raping his wife it’s definitely necessary violence. I would have done the same thing, ‘cept I wouldn’t have shot him in the head.

That woman deserves to spend a long time in jail. Presumably she knew her husband carries a gun, and she knew he would be returning that night. The whole thing looks like she set it up to get rid of both men (although the lover could be just a pawn).

]]> By: Rick Blaine http://www.clareified.com/2007/03/31/back-door-slam/#comment-43915 Rick Blaine Sat, 31 Mar 2007 21:12:39 +0000 http://www.clareified.com/2007/03/31/back-door-slam/#comment-43915 <i>Seems to me like this is a perfectly justifiable shooting based on what the wife said was happening.</i> . . . which is why the wife, not the husband, is being charged. Seems to me like this is a perfectly justifiable shooting based on
what the wife said was happening.

. . . which is why the wife, not the husband, is being charged.

]]> By: Concerned http://www.clareified.com/2007/03/31/back-door-slam/#comment-43896 Concerned Sat, 31 Mar 2007 17:17:52 +0000 http://www.clareified.com/2007/03/31/back-door-slam/#comment-43896 It appears, the court is responding with reason and not emotion. Traditionally, the wife says he did it, and the rush to justice ensues against the husband. Notwithstanding, that violence in our society is not acceptable unless in defense of life. The husband still used unecessary violence and should be charged with a lesser crime than murder or manslaughter. It appears, the court is responding with reason and not emotion. Traditionally, the wife says he did it, and the rush to justice ensues against the husband. Notwithstanding, that violence in our society is not acceptable unless in defense of life.

The husband still used unecessary violence and should be charged with a lesser crime than murder or manslaughter.

]]> By: Mark http://www.clareified.com/2007/03/31/back-door-slam/#comment-43885 Mark Sat, 31 Mar 2007 15:42:51 +0000 http://www.clareified.com/2007/03/31/back-door-slam/#comment-43885 Soooo - hubby should have just let the guy finish "raping" his wife while doing nothing? Seems to me like this is a perfectly justifiable shooting based on what the wife said was happening. Soooo - hubby should have just let the guy finish “raping” his wife while doing nothing? Seems to me like this is a perfectly justifiable shooting based on what the wife said was happening.

]]> By: April http://www.clareified.com/2007/03/31/back-door-slam/#comment-43879 April Sat, 31 Mar 2007 15:33:20 +0000 http://www.clareified.com/2007/03/31/back-door-slam/#comment-43879 Now you see why I find it so hard to leave a place where "He needed killing" is a valid defense! Now you see why I find it so hard to leave a place where “He needed killing” is a valid defense!

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